tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post3344414075978990603..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: Cowboy Isis: 'Liberating' the Native American Cultural RelicsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-25906476610870047812016-01-24T23:10:09.173-08:002016-01-24T23:10:09.173-08:00After three weeks of what after all must be admitt...After three weeks of what after all must be admitted to be a limited life span evaporated into thin air in the migrainoid close monitoring of the slippy surface of the surreal soap bubble inside which this desert basin of a murican story has sprouted its petrified forest of aporia, I can't help feeling overcome by an intense need to escape. That must be the patriotism surging up again.<br /><br />About the racism of the constitutional thug army, I believe the central faux-cowboy not-really-rancher Mormon cadre practises the standard generic offhand/nonchalant diluted murican brand of it, whereas the skinhead tattoo faction, perhaps a bit, nay even more than a bit more aggressive, but hey, it's a free country, right, for anybody who's packing a big enough weapon.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-7679427360704823282016-01-24T02:04:03.987-08:002016-01-24T02:04:03.987-08:00Seems like they want to finish the earlier job of ...Seems like they want to finish the earlier job of ethnic cleansing. <br />Mose23https://www.blogger.com/profile/01100756913131511440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-30006927855562636232016-01-23T20:39:32.110-08:002016-01-23T20:39:32.110-08:00Tom,
Maybe instead of taking any "practical ...Tom,<br /><br />Maybe instead of taking any "practical steps" someone should just whack these wackos with a fly swatter and be done with it.<br />STEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-89396675404915499292016-01-22T10:57:02.835-08:002016-01-22T10:57:02.835-08:00[tarmac chat continued:]
The conversation sounded...[tarmac chat continued:]<br /><br />The conversation sounded in some ways like acquaintances catching up, with the FBI negotiator asking about activities out at the refuge...<br /><br />The negotiator asked why Bundy picked Harney County.<br /><br />"You're familiar with the Hammonds," Bundy said in a sardonic tone...<br /><br />The negotiator pressed for what Bundy wanted to see done with the refuge. Bundy said it should be turned over to Harney County officials.<br /><br />He said his group wouldn't leave until practical steps had been taken to get the refuge out of federal control and ensure the refuge buildings were never again used by the federal government.<br /><br />How would that get done, the agent asked.<br /><br />"I don't know," Bundy said. "We could put more thought to that."...<br /><br />Bundy had questions of his own. He asked by what right was the FBI involved in the refuge occupation.<br /><br />"Are you here under authority of the sheriff?" Bundy asked.<br /><br />When the negotiator said the sheriff had asked for federal help, Bundy responded, "You do not have the people's authority to be here."<br /><br />In measured tones, the negotiator told him, "The sheriff has asked for our assistance."<br /><br />Sheriff Dave Ward has repeatedly told the occupiers to go home and met with Bundy two weeks ago, promising him safe passage out of the county. But the sheriff said Bundy wouldn't take him up on the offer.<br /><br />As the negotiator repeatedly cycled back to the issue of how to end the standoff, Bundy was equally insistent that action had to happen – not just talk.<br /><br />One action was paramount to ending the standoff, he said: "You can bring the Hammonds back home..."<br /><br />When the negotiator asked if he was referring to a presidential pardon, Bundy had a quick response. "The president didn't put them" in prison, Bundy said. "You and I both know the president is not going to get them out."<br /><br />Instead, he said the federal prosecutors who put the Hammonds in prison "need to work their magic" to free the ranchers.<br /><br />Bundy brought the conversation to a close, saying he had other meetings and tasks to attend. A group of New Mexico state legislators was expected at the refuge, he said.<br /><br />The negotiator asked how they could stay in touch, whether he could use a landline at the refuge to reach Bundy. Bundy demurred, saying the occupiers weren't using refuge phones.<br /><br />"We want to work together with you," the negotiator said.<br /><br />The two agreed to connect again in 24 hours.<br /><br />With that, the negotiator hung up, Bundy handed the borrowed cellphone to an FBI agent and headed to a pickup truck for the 30-mile drive back to the refuge.<br /><br />Les Zaitz, The Oregonian, 21 January 2016TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-38684797417995963112016-01-22T10:54:45.336-08:002016-01-22T10:54:45.336-08:00But I don't expect anybody will have heard muc...But I don't expect anybody will have heard much if anything about that cozy little tarmac chat, so here's a bit of detail from a local news source (reporter also evidently a rancher by the way):<br /><br />BURNS – Ammon Bundy, standing in a biting, freezing wind Thursday at the police blockade to the local airport, borrowed a cellphone from an FBI agent.<br /><br />On the other end was an FBI negotiator who identified himself to Bundy only as "Chris."<br /><br />And so opened talks between the leader of the refuge occupation and the federal agency in charge of bringing an end to the armed takeover, now in its third week.<br /><br />For nearly an hour around noontime, the negotiator listened to Bundy's well-practiced litany of complaints against the federal government while probing for what it would take to end his occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.<br /><br />They ended the call with the promise to talk again Friday.<br /><br />Bundy and Ryan Payne, another takeover organizer, said the FBI reached out by phone and by messenger starting two days ago.<br /><br />Bundy said he had 14 voice messages Wednesday from the negotiator – the same day that Gov. Kate Brown publicly scolded federal officials for what she said was their slow approach to ending the Harney County standoff.<br /><br />Bundy showed up unannounced at the Burns Municipal Airport, which is serving as an operations base for the FBI. He said he was there to talk with Chris but was told that the negotiator wasn't there, though they could talk by phone.<br /><br />Bundy stood on the pavement of the driveway to the airport as he talked, a bodyguard beside him, with two plainclothes FBI agents as well as armed FBI agents in tactical dress standing nearby.<br /><br />He put the cellphone on speaker, allowing all to listen in on the first known conversation between the federal agents and Bundy since the occupation started Jan. 2.<br /><br />"I'm a face-to-face kind of guy," Bundy told the negotiator. "You reached out to me ... I'm not sure exactly what you wanted to talk about."TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-36532953979133268382016-01-22T10:53:19.802-08:002016-01-22T10:53:19.802-08:00Terry and Steve, big thanks for the encouragement ...Terry and Steve, big thanks for the encouragement to think others are equally agape, at this point, over these doings.<br /><br />It's finally (of course) impossible to stay out of the way of any story while attempting to report it... and this is becoming a story with a very strange shape to it... strange, that is, until the relation of each successive episode in the saga to the larger story of the deterioration of the "body politic" begins to dawn... take for example yesterday's surreal FBI/Peckerwood Gang "conference" call, almost as strange, if nothing like so scary, as the sheer horror-movie experience of spending three and a half minutes (eternity) trapped inside the violated Paiute archive storage area with LaVoy Finicum, his free-radical eyeballs and his helpful pinhead video crew...<br /><br />A small but (I thought) telling point noted by just one of the reporters dutifully shivering on the frigid high desert tarmac while eavesdropping as Ammon Bundy and a friendly FBI spokesperson, seemingly yclept "Chris", conducted their equable one-hour chat on speakerphone -- from his side of the conversation it's indicated that prior to his attendance at this charming little Showdown-That-Wasn't, Bundy had wagered with one or more of his fellow Mormon terrorists that the FBI outreach guy was "one of us"... (see Amanda Peacher tweet below).<br /><br />Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher 5h5 hours ago:<br /><br />Interestingly, there was not a swarm of armed officers there. Just three FBI agents in ball caps and a few deputies. #Oregonstandoff<br /><br />Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher 5h5 hours ago:<br /><br />At the end of the convo, Ammon asked FBI negotiator if he's LDS. Negotiator said no. "I lost a bet," said Bundy.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-18104293311447134992016-01-22T09:52:26.717-08:002016-01-22T09:52:26.717-08:00Tom,
Great background material here (history of ...Tom,<br /><br />Great background material here (history of the Paiute people on this land) and also what's going on in the foreground (Citizen Finicum seeming to mean so well -- who does he think he's fooling anyway) . . . meanwhile, the sagebrush saga continues . . .STEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-13338822478913071422016-01-22T06:57:38.731-08:002016-01-22T06:57:38.731-08:00This story just becomes more and more outrageous. ...This story just becomes more and more outrageous. I will share your post with some of my former colleagues at the Natl Museum of the American Indian. Thanks, Tom.tpwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05909239000589253931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-59018831647322729912016-01-21T23:01:22.220-08:002016-01-21T23:01:22.220-08:00... Right. And so, you run into these guys in the ...... Right. And so, you run into these guys in the video on a country road in the middle of nowhere. And they say, Just trust us, we're going to come over and guard your artifacts...TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-64110856521625104732016-01-21T22:51:32.712-08:002016-01-21T22:51:32.712-08:00Jan 20 NATIVE AMERICAN ARTIFACTS<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzFhWAcu3i0&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">Jan 20 NATIVE AMERICAN ARTIFACTS</a>TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.com