tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post469100998243013964..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: MirroringUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-4558657042460012642010-11-22T16:37:31.690-08:002010-11-22T16:37:31.690-08:00And then I get to this -- I know, out of order -- ...And then I get to this -- I know, out of order -- wow. And dranif. Thank you.Robbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12312524900784740898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-42345529743909368042010-11-21T11:37:25.086-08:002010-11-21T11:37:25.086-08:00The mirrors of nature. What can be more beautiful ...The mirrors of nature. What can be more beautiful and magical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-46269948763270208402010-11-19T10:14:20.105-08:002010-11-19T10:14:20.105-08:00The illusion of an illusion, almost certainly. Mu...The illusion of an illusion, almost certainly. Much like all else... <br /><br />A little watercolour -- ah, yes.<br /><br />A world within a world, sí.<br /><br />"...as far as the eye can reach"TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-24291368965461003742010-11-19T10:00:04.475-08:002010-11-19T10:00:04.475-08:00I've been poking around trying to find those t...I've been poking around trying to find those two <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=lKCcBbRxl9AC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=A.+Ramboux--German+art+historian&source=bl&ots=JPaHF2j634&sig=GeZUuYAU_2xRu2IYYudTKALSLdY&hl=en&ei=CrbmTPG4BoW8sQPLgumxCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">sketches of The Victory of Constantine by Johann Anton Ramboux</a>, which I remember seeing reproduced somewhere... so far however have managed only to entangle myself in the cobwebby Mists of Time, without turning up the reproductions. (Perhaps there still exist some things that are actually not online.)<br /><br />But the search continues.<br /><br />Meanwhile, here's a really interesting site devoted to image modeling from <a href="http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/" rel="nofollow">Piero della Francesca: The Legend of the True Cross</a>.<br /><br />One can get a great close-up glimpse of that central passage of the mural by checking out <a href="http://projects.ias.edu/pierotruecross/zoomify/costantino.html" rel="nofollow">The Victory of Constantine--zoom view</a>.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-21625310551694159482010-11-19T07:30:48.947-08:002010-11-19T07:30:48.947-08:00Yes, as Curtis notes, ""what easily migh...Yes, as Curtis notes, ""what easily might have been a kind of heaven, slipped into the receding foreground vision" . . . .<br /><br /><br />11.19 <br /><br />grey whiteness of fog against invisible<br />ridge, shadowed green of leaf on branch<br />in foreground, wave sounding in channel<br /><br /> supposes a view of time, is<br /> therefore a substance<br /><br /> that still in a way present,<br /> more or less, connect<br /><br />silver of sunlight reflected in channel,<br />shadowed green slope of ridge across itSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-73881778752296679252010-11-19T03:51:07.345-08:002010-11-19T03:51:07.345-08:00The illusion of illusion, perhaps?The illusion of illusion, perhaps?hardPressed poetryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00299038892858081207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-50897848017835959482010-11-18T17:31:25.883-08:002010-11-18T17:31:25.883-08:00The world within a world that you've revealed ...The world within a world that you've revealed here ("what easily might have been a kind of heaven, slipped into the receding foreground vision at the center of The Victory of Constantine over Maxentius") is something I've never seen and don't think I would have guessed existed. I'm very glad to know about it now (and wish I could board a plane to Arezzo). Following through to look at AJP's pictures was great, though I don't care for cold weather either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-16965569604064598902010-11-18T12:50:51.276-08:002010-11-18T12:50:51.276-08:00Tom,
Many thanks for all this. I'll check o...Tom, <br /><br />Many thanks for all this. I'll check out Herr Rimboux. The other thing about that detail you've got up of the house -- I mean, I'd love to be able to paint like that, but can you imagine doing it in <i>fresco</i>? Actually, I think that's the only way it could be done though, that or a little watercolour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-42135194898099304312010-11-18T07:09:40.213-08:002010-11-18T07:09:40.213-08:00Tom,
Thanks for noting these ----
"the high...Tom,<br /><br />Thanks for noting these ----<br /><br />"the higher you’re standing above the waterline greater the asymmetry between the image and its reflection"<br /><br />"so resplendent with colour and rhythm that one barely perceives the cracks in the wall."<br /><br /><br />11.18<br /><br />light coming into sky above black plane<br />of ridge, silver of planet above branch<br />in foreground, wave sounding in channel<br /><br /> as far as eye can reach, it<br /> is exactly what I see<br /><br /> that is that, points toward<br /> pointing that way, is<br /><br />silver of low sun reflected in channel,<br />sunlit white gull gliding toward pointSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-4650590114352382362010-11-18T05:51:33.556-08:002010-11-18T05:51:33.556-08:00Artur,
That makes sense.
I am certain that Piero...Artur,<br /><br />That makes sense.<br /><br />I am certain that Piero would have appreciated your comment, and given it considerable thought.<br /><br />Readers of this post will perhaps take as much pleasure as I did from Artur's own investigation, with photography, of this same area of <a href="http://abadguide.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/at-the-bottom-of-the-garden/" rel="nofollow">perspectival projection</a>.<br /><br />As he suggests:<br /><br />"I’ve found that the higher you’re standing above the waterline greater the asymmetry between the image and its reflection. It must be because you aren’t perpendicular to the image and its foreshortened reflection." <br /><br />We know that Piero's passion for mathematics, in particular geometry and perspectival proportion -- linear perspective, and the perspectival projection of architectural forms -- was as powerful as his passion for painting, and that the one passion surely informed the other. He seems to have based his perspectival projections in part on the expectation that those who would view his paintings were also educated to some degree in the same sciences. In that sense his audience was probably more sophisticated at viewing and gauging proportions that an audience would be now. A smart audience usually assists the creation of smart art. But then too, it's also clear that perspective and mathematics in his paintings have both a personal and a lyrical value. Brains and beauty together, the total package.<br /><br />As to the extensive damage to that fresco, particularly in that central area -- it is perhaps the most badly damaged of the frescos at San Francesco -- there exists a water-colour copy of the whole scene, done in 1840 by the German artist A. Ramboux for the Dusseldorf Academy, so that some idea of the missing parts may be gathered. But I am grateful that there has never been an attempt to "fill in the blanks" à la the Evans reconstruction at Crete. Curiously enough, it's the abstract patterns created by the damaged passages that enforces the striking "modernity" of the work. We seem to be able to relate to the fragmentary, the unfinished and the incomplete perhaps better than viewers (or artists) of Piero's time might have been able to do.. <br /><br />In any case, this central bit of the fresco, radiant with what Sir K. Clark called "the most perfect morning light in all Renaissance painting," is, as the scholar Bianconi suggested, "so resplendent with colour and rhythm that one barely perceives the cracks in the wall."TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-18435493853693608172010-11-18T04:26:16.115-08:002010-11-18T04:26:16.115-08:00My guess is that if you look down on the river in ...My guess is that if you <a href="http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Piero_della_Francesca_038.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piero_della_Francesca_038.jpg&usg=__Sr3reOpE9L47fdrGTxDAnD8mkU0=&h=2000&w=4096&sz=1022&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=2GlCuMpqXuMPWM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=197&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPiero%2Bdella%2BFrancesca,%2B1452-1466,%2Bfresco,%2BSan%2BFrancesco,%2BArezzo%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1662%26bih%3D1050%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divb&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1238&vpy=103&dur=698&hovh=157&hovw=321&tx=119&ty=55&ei=ExjlTJC9LMmAswbz4byuCw&oei=ExjlTJC9LMmAswbz4byuCw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=60&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0" rel="nofollow">look down on the river</a> in "real life", you don't get such attenuated reflections; they would be much more foreshortened unless you (the viewer) were standing closer to the water level. Which makes it all the more wonderful that what he's drawn works so well formally, pulling you in to the picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-64432956758773976462010-11-18T04:10:45.504-08:002010-11-18T04:10:45.504-08:00You, me & Piero, huh? Great minds... On his ...You, me & Piero, huh? Great minds... On his image, I would of course love to see what's no longer there, but it's pretty good the way it is too. Maybe the house wasn't as prominent before, and I love the way it's drawn.<br /><br />Artur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-71236510377594902372010-11-17T20:56:27.174-08:002010-11-17T20:56:27.174-08:00Great poem. That one should ... performs the act o...Great poem. That one should ... performs the act of pushing you right into a pit where great poems are being read.<br /><br />Some real great posts at your blog Tom. Still to read them ..adityahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16078144194220301083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-48552292181475444862010-11-17T09:49:42.033-08:002010-11-17T09:49:42.033-08:00Lovely, Tom!
Have you seen AJP's Rorschach pi...Lovely, Tom!<br /><br />Have you seen AJP's Rorschach pictures of his lake today? <br />You two seem to be in a similar line of thought.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419101761966668410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-45695546857267077412010-11-17T08:04:28.113-08:002010-11-17T08:04:28.113-08:00diferentes maneras de ver para el que miradiferentes maneras de ver para el que miraSandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329747340895757509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-50476103665168424872010-11-17T07:40:35.012-08:002010-11-17T07:40:35.012-08:00Tom,
Yes, it seems, in the worlds of our parallel...Tom,<br /><br />Yes, it seems, in the worlds of our parallel universes -- <br /><br />"one should see the sky<br /> reflected on the surface of the water"<br /><br /><br /><br />11.17<br /><br />light coming into sky above still black <br />plane of ridge, red-tailed hawk calling<br />in foreground, sound of wave in channel<br /><br /> to look with eye at such as<br /> after, still the same<br /><br /> about itself, conception of<br /> what, where in motion<br /><br />silver of low sun reflected in channel,<br />shadowed green pine on tip of sandspitSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.com