tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post5907711266576262457..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: Thomas Wyatt: Recursion (It may be good)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-52529630537740698572013-04-24T16:01:29.350-07:002013-04-24T16:01:29.350-07:00This is a thread long gone, but talking about imag...This is a thread long gone, but talking about images of oneself within images of oneself, I can't help posting our national redhead. She is wearing earrings depicting.... herself of course. And she has been around since 1921!<br /><a href="http://www.proxilivre.fr/a-tartiner/205-la-vache-qui-rit-12-portions-200-grs-a-tartiner-3073780591591.html" rel="nofollow">La Vache Qui Rit</a>.Marie Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07787850063283960703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-60615964162371827642011-02-24T08:04:21.753-08:002011-02-24T08:04:21.753-08:00That was, I think, one of those soon-to-evaporate ...That was, I think, one of those soon-to-evaporate identity-shifting mystery commenters who make life on the internet so interesting (as long as they're not the kind who are into death threats & c.).TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-82877323956090128162011-02-23T16:01:03.105-08:002011-02-23T16:01:03.105-08:00Oh, they're lovely! I'll have to read som...Oh, they're lovely! I'll have to read some more tomorrow. <br /><br />I liked Angelina who asked if you do Algebra II.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-73546184995325952372011-02-23T11:27:00.542-08:002011-02-23T11:27:00.542-08:00didn't Walt Disney steal from Krazy Kat the mo...didn't Walt Disney steal from Krazy Kat the mouse<br />that became Mickey?<br /><br />I'm yet "doing" things via pen/pencil on (mostly) <br />8 1/2 x 11 cheapest white typing paper...<br /><br />one of these days I''ll get me some carbon paper<br />make spontaneous copies and USE those as the originals...<br /><br />the only reason to use this computer?<br /><br />to scan into it those sheets just-as-they-are ...<br /><br />working on a new book now..... using India Ink and an home-made quill (feather) pen<br /><br />getting near-on to impossible to find decent feathers.... looking for a local turkey farm...<br /><br />actually, it s near-impossible to find anything (these days) decent <br /><br /> or .... in decent, for that matter.Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-18954911539919411152011-02-23T11:13:05.805-08:002011-02-23T11:13:05.805-08:00In case anyone's interested, the, er, iconogra...In case anyone's interested, the, er, iconography deployed in those scrolls often involved figurations of literary history by way of cartoon images; for example, the influence of George Herriman's Krazy Kat is pretty obvious here:<br /><br /><a href="http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/from-deep-keats-scrolls-want-of-object.html" rel="nofollow">From the Deep Keats Scrolls: Want of an Object</a>TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-29412383605410000692011-02-23T11:06:40.390-08:002011-02-23T11:06:40.390-08:00Cottage industry has always been pretty much the n...Cottage industry has always been pretty much the name of the game hereabouts.<br /><br />For years I made handmade books -- with, of course, the help of someone. I designed and inscribed them, A. stitched them together. <br /><br />As to the big sheets... being an inveterate pedestrian, over the years, when I was still ambulatory and yet capable of at the same time looking about me, I found in someone's "recycling" (i.e. street trash) several sets of very large sheets containing architectural designs for a Kaiser Permanente Hospital (in Fresno, yet), rolled up much like collections of giant papyri.<br /><br />I dragged these home and, again over the years, working mostly in the middle of the night (one could never do such a thing in plain sight of day), on my knees, painstakingly inscribed, on the verso sides, sets of designs presenting not only the original drafts of poems, but a good deal of related material.<br /><br />There were some two dozen Wyatt scrolls.<br /><br />There were various sets featuring other poets as well.<br /><br />There was a set of these "scrolls" relating to the poetry of Keats. A half dozen of these, under the title "Deep Keats Scrolls", were posted here two years ago.<br /><br />Here are two of them.<br /><br />(By clicking upon the images one can instantly make them big.)<br /><br /><a href="http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/from-deep-keats-scrolls-negative.html" rel="nofollow">From the Deep Keats Scrolls: Negative Capability</a><br /><br /><a href="http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/from-deep-keats-scrolls-byron-on-keats.html" rel="nofollow">From the Deep Keats Scrolls: Byron on Keats</a><br /><br />By navigating from the side links on those posts, one can find more of these, all headed "From the Deep Keats Scrolls".TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-49932259579216618872011-02-23T10:34:35.697-08:002011-02-23T10:34:35.697-08:00a newspaper sheet is 24 x 22 ...
remember newspap...a newspaper sheet is 24 x 22 ...<br /><br />remember newspapers?Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-61310458379100929032011-02-23T10:32:05.946-08:002011-02-23T10:32:05.946-08:00ahhh those signatures... remember when you laid ou...ahhh those signatures... remember when you laid out a book<br /> both sides of a single sheet?<br /><br />fold the sheet and number each square to see the order <br />and upside-down or right-side up layout...<br /><br />just try to fold an i-pod (or whatever those pads are called)...<br /><br />I bet you that you can't even find out on the NET what a signature is!Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-9462706536220085072011-02-23T10:22:11.113-08:002011-02-23T10:22:11.113-08:00Since I can't see the originals, do you have a...Since I can't see the originals, do you have any pictures of those 48 x 36 inch sheets? What a great project. Quite difficult to lay flat a piece of paper that big. There used to be a standard sheet of paper in England, that was phased out when they joined the Common Market and went decimal, called "Double Elephant". That was only 27" x 40". I liked the name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-47243348600685797052011-02-23T07:33:31.421-08:002011-02-23T07:33:31.421-08:00I'm pretty much the same way, Artur, though it...I'm pretty much the same way, Artur, though it seems one is supposed to be embarrassed to admit it.<br /><br />I believe our Jeff was in on the, if he did not actually himself invent, that terribly noisome Kindle business.<br /><br />When I think of Kindle I think of book burning bonfires, Fahrenheit 451 & all that. <br /><br />This post could never have existed had it not been for paper -- the paper employed by Thomas Wyatt or his scribe copying from a fair copy, to start with... all the way down to the 48" x 36" sheets of architectural design paper upon which one had, for reasons yet to be fully fathomed, many years ago, laboriously inscribed, in large carefully measured monastic script, a transcription of Richard Harrier's transcription from the Egerton ms.<br /><br />A person who lives here and who has read virtually every novel worth reading, several times over, says she is simply unable to "read things on a screen".<br /><br />I dare say this is the unvoiced position of many less courageous paper recidivists.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-49604736344326060342011-02-23T02:53:06.862-08:002011-02-23T02:53:06.862-08:00Is that Jeff? No, he's no Burt Lancaster. Elm...Is that Jeff? No, he's no Burt Lancaster. Elmer Gantry must have been Burt's best role, I can't be the first to say that. <br /><br />In fairness to Jeff and his kind, not that they need me, Norwegian bookshops charge more than double the US price for imported books. You can't beat a City Lights or William Stout's Architectural Bookstore, also in SF, but I can't pay that much. I'm certainly not going to buy one of Jeff's little television sets, though. I like paper; my thoughts are ephemeral enough without the books disappearing before my eyes.<br /><br />Artur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-34781795594986494212011-02-22T13:30:31.204-08:002011-02-22T13:30:31.204-08:00Well, I suppose if any one of us had pulled 1.52 b...Well, I suppose if any one of us had pulled 1.52 billion in revenue last year out of what used to be known as literacy, we too might be sporting that <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Jeff_Bezos_2005.jpg" rel="nofollow">bug-eyed evangelical stare</a>.<br /><br />(It worked so much better on the face of Elmer Gantry impersonated by Burt Lancaster, though -- but of course Elmer Gantry had to settle for tent shows, not shoot for the moon rockets -- and too, really, Jeff does fall a bit shy of Burt Lancaster in the "man-up" dept.)TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-61360506477107867952011-02-22T13:16:15.351-08:002011-02-22T13:16:15.351-08:00Perhaps a modest penny surtax on all transactions ...Perhaps a modest penny surtax on all transactions would enable his trip, with the ultimate hope he'll take his business with him and never come back.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-72525735446554402832011-02-22T12:55:25.183-08:002011-02-22T12:55:25.183-08:00Amazon is owned by a man called Jeff something who...Amazon is owned by a man called Jeff something who wants to fly to the moon. So that's why the book prices went up, probably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-61646175750406567542011-02-22T08:11:33.213-08:002011-02-22T08:11:33.213-08:00Tom,
Ah, would that it were so (reading in the co...Tom,<br /><br />Ah, would that it were so (reading in the company of those lovely chocolate girls) -- I will dwell in that pleasant moment awhile too, thank you. . . .STEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-59525554904002574712011-02-21T13:36:14.274-08:002011-02-21T13:36:14.274-08:00just for the heck of it checked via amazon.com f...just for the heck of it checked via amazon.com for <br />Art is Art..<br />amazon has gone BONKERS prices for their used REAL <br />books have "gone through the roof"<br /><br />they have for this boo $ 14 $18 $21 & $28 <br /> PLUS $4.99 for shipping!<br /><br />so over on abe's they got same book for $8!<br /><br />I guess amazon if murdering books and switching everyone to something called kindle.. ALSO AT EXORBITANT PRICES !!<br /><br />won't ever again use amazon and NEVER their kindle!Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-62905227922537421862011-02-21T13:11:39.880-08:002011-02-21T13:11:39.880-08:00Thanks, Ed. I've ordered it.
Artur ("A...Thanks, Ed. I've ordered it. <br /><br />Artur ("Art" for short.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-33209340170865975632011-02-21T08:59:10.999-08:002011-02-21T08:59:10.999-08:00Curtis,
Imitation of Life is a "funny you sh...Curtis,<br /><br />Imitation of Life is a "funny you should say that". <br /><br />The comments earlier re. art in advertising had set me off on a Douglas Sirk "Written on the Wind" Fifties-research digression into Mad Ave Nowhere. <br /><br />(I suppose I was thinking of the scenes of the ad layouts being shown in the lofty high rise skyscraper aerie offices.)<br /><br />(This must be Fears and Phobias Week around here.) <br /><br /><br />Stephen,<br /><br />For a pleasant longish moment of senior dementia I took you as saying you had read the Egerton manuscript in the reading room in lovely company of these chocolate girls. <br /><br />In fact as there's no harm in persisting in taking you as having said that... <br /><br /><br />I'm still trying to get over the strange Drostean Coincidence by which a drinker of Droste should be found looking at a post containing an image of a girl serving Droste, & c., itself a seeming proof of the existence in the universe of <a href="http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/recursion-infinite-loops.html" rel="nofollow">infinite loops</a>.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-69839473313219299292011-02-21T08:18:32.903-08:002011-02-21T08:18:32.903-08:00Tom,
Thought I sent something like this comment y...Tom,<br /><br />Thought I sent something like this comment yesterday (but it's not here, helas) -- good to see old Wyatt still standing fast in 'original' spelling (if not hand writing, which I once read in person in the reading room of the British Museum), in lovely company of these chocolate girls. . . .<br /><br /><br />2.20<br /><br />grey blackness of sky above still black<br />ridge, white circle of moon by branches<br />in foreground, wave sounding in channel<br /><br /> place as “copy” of painting,<br /> as difference between<br /><br /> is as has been, that if not,<br /> so that “subject” and<br /><br />grey of clouds on horizon beside point,<br />whiteness of snow against top of ridgeSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-3657640065520152532011-02-21T08:01:36.744-08:002011-02-21T08:01:36.744-08:00Like the other correspondents, I find
Wyatt's...Like the other correspondents, I find <br />Wyatt's poem stunning and very moving. Two nights ago, I watched the most wretched reality show I'd ever seen featuring the comedian Joan Rivers, her daughter Melissa and various extra appendages seeking the "big time" in a reality tv show on the WE network. Ever since then, I can't get the phrase "imitation of life" off my mind. The Wyatt poem (and the two ladies) brought me back to something real and fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-35400079831721755742011-02-21T07:50:22.618-08:002011-02-21T07:50:22.618-08:00I see that Google is offering so very minuscule a ...I see that Google is offering so very minuscule a sliver of Ad Reinhardt's Art as Art as to merely tease. <br /><br />It seems that advertising has always incorporated art to its own uses, whether or not directly.<br /><br />I was thinking about this a short while ago when putting up the top image of a Ford V-8 roadster in <a href="http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/industrial-archeology-watch-fords-go-by.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> post.<br /><br />"Ah," thought I, "Winslow Homer".<br /><br />The nuance of having the flight of birds execute a convenient perfect figure-8 within a V-formation would be the creative contribution of the ad men.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-87403325004141998442011-02-21T05:03:24.155-08:002011-02-21T05:03:24.155-08:00Hey "abadguide"
try Ad Reinhardt's
...Hey "abadguide"<br /><br />try Ad Reinhardt's<br /><br />ART asART<br /><br />especially sections towards the end... those 1963 notes of his re: "things"<br /><br />and<br /><br />just maybe, though I can't recall the titles some, Henry Miller<br /><br />(a friend who "knows a lot of shit.... "turned me on" to Ad Reinhardt..<br /> would that I had known <br />i jus might have<br /> excurded over to Patmos in 1968...Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-71293106925604590172011-02-21T04:54:16.316-08:002011-02-21T04:54:16.316-08:00so it is with that which of my "stuff" i...so it is with that which of my "stuff" is getting published; facsimile editions...<br /><br />Points/Counterpoints. rtv<br /><br /><br />and told the publisher.. "no going to correct a single typo... let the reader enjoy the supreme pleasure of discovering any typos.."miss" spellings"<br />etc<br /><br />etc..<br /><br />and<br /><br />wasn't TOTTEL name of that first mimeo ...'rag' that Ron Silliman produced wayyyyyyyyyyy back wen<br /><br />when staples were an interegal essentiol?<br /> anyway<br />hang in<br /><br />some of those 'things' just-as-they-were/are the originals scanned and on my site...<br /><br />not GREAT poetry or Literasure... but,<br />what is.<br /><br />some, for me, neat "stuff" in that black "Selected"<br />thing..<br /><br /><br />and The City... thats a Bodoni type font.... very close to the elite font on mu<br /><br />Underwood #5 (ca 1940-somethingEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-3202706778642679602011-02-21T02:48:50.049-08:002011-02-21T02:48:50.049-08:00Yes, I agree. I wonder if there's a book abou...Yes, I agree. I wonder if there's a book about references to works of art in advertising. There ought to be if there isn't.<br /><br />I didn't know it was called the Droste effect. I've always loved their chocolate.<br /><br />This may be the post I've enjoyed the most, Tom, (and I've enjoyed many).<br /><br />Artur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-7438253629210212252011-02-20T22:58:06.232-08:002011-02-20T22:58:06.232-08:00(And by the by, speaking of recursion, it's pr...(And by the by, speaking of recursion, it's pretty certain that the fellow who did the cocoa ad had one eye on that lovely pastel of the chocolate girl drawn by the Swiss painter Liotard...)TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.com