tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post7541572577570084066..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: In the Valley of the Actuarial KingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-65796239149966682262010-08-15T12:04:22.804-07:002010-08-15T12:04:22.804-07:00He's dropping, falling... like the blimp.He's dropping, falling... like the blimp.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-32460940436733996862010-08-15T11:53:48.048-07:002010-08-15T11:53:48.048-07:00I'm ignorant
is Stevens contained
or unleshed...I'm ignorant<br /><br />is Stevens contained<br />or unleshed?Elmo St. Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-89503043649352383202010-08-08T15:19:15.736-07:002010-08-08T15:19:15.736-07:00Bowie,
Good to have your notes from the humid hil...Bowie,<br /><br />Good to have your notes from the humid hills and piedmont. If only we could take your Georgia weather and divide it by our grey-whiteness of fog we might come up with something like a civilized (?) happy (?) medium.<br /><br /><br />Curtis, <br /><br />It seems amazing but in some sense it is indeed real: a nostalgia for good clean paper waste. (As I believe Francois Villon once said, where are the carbon copies of yesteryear?)<br /><br /><br />Marylinn,<br /><br />That makes two of us naifs. I too was captured by the Graf Zeppelin. Do you suppose that was an express or a local? <br /><br />If the latter, one might have been able to yank the ripchord and descend gracefully onto the head of the half-buried Sphinx.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-51088941333923676752010-08-08T12:59:50.033-07:002010-08-08T12:59:50.033-07:00I will be the voice of the literal naif here and a...I will be the voice of the literal naif here and allow myself to be captured by the zeppelin and the Great Pyramid. First, the image, then I will revisit the words.Marylinn Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02759437467691163658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-88549814087991301042010-08-08T06:22:37.328-07:002010-08-08T06:22:37.328-07:00I've gotten a lot out of all of these exchange...I've gotten a lot out of all of these exchanges, as well from the original post. Thank you (and I can't imagine a better description of the insurance industry's activities than "the exploitation of human anxiety"). I'm not vastly Stevens-aware, but I've always been stuck on the part about his career and residence in Hartford. When I was quite young, my father told me that Hartford was the cleanest city in America because the insurance industry only generated paper waste. (It really is quite a clean city.) About 10 years ago, I used to commute weekly by car from the Hudson Valley in New York to Boston and the "highlight", such as it was, of that incredibly boring drive was seeing the gleaming insurance buildings of Hartford at the halfway mark, which always made me think of Wallace Stevens.Curtis Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-4477197810595485412010-08-07T18:25:23.329-07:002010-08-07T18:25:23.329-07:00Tom,
'plains' shd more properly be '...Tom, <br /><br />'plains' shd more properly be 'piedmont'. <br /><br />Yrs, <br />BowieBowie Haganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567007646230928407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-41962918102969935842010-08-07T18:06:00.149-07:002010-08-07T18:06:00.149-07:00Tom,
Some notes from Atlanta...
the streets st...Tom, <br /><br />Some notes from Atlanta... <br /><br />the streets stacked and roll'd<br />as the great and rumbling conception. <br /><br />Men and women tried themselves at defense,<br />talk of the news<br /><br />Pine trees, a quiet space <br />where they would be more defined<br /><br />mushrooms here and there,<br />Dogs, suburbia<br /><br />African-american culture,<br />Hills unto the plains. <br /><br />Best, <br />BowieBowie Haganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567007646230928407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-13247554853533132982010-08-07T09:11:08.866-07:002010-08-07T09:11:08.866-07:00Steve,
No reference to present company intended!
...Steve,<br /><br />No reference to present company intended!<br /><br />In an essay-note on "the poetry of war" composed at about the same time as "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction," Stevens suggested, to paraphrase, that history and poetry are ultimately divergent concerns, the former moving "in the direction of fact" and the latter moving in the direction of the imagination, "in endless struggle with fact". <br /><br />How nice that would be for poetry, if it were true.<br /><br />By the way, as to "down, down, down...": that implication of a declension, whether of Wallace Stevens' gastric contents or of the conceptual structures upon which his poetry is based, was suggested by the image of the Graf Zeppelin seemingly plummeting toward the Pyramids, observed by the several "Arabians", doubtless all babbling their senseless "howda-howda-hows":<br /><br />in a picture, literal answer<br />is a figure, in a sense<br /><br />And btw, on the subject of Stevens and all-too-literal hostilities, I've always been interested in the lore of his drunken Key West fisticuffs with Robert Frost and Ernie Hemingway. Such lonely-at-the-top real-life histories perhaps moving "in the direction of fact", where on the cultural level the return of the repressed often unsettles a too large lunch.<br /><br />(I "understand" he often lost, and apologized later... though it seems that with Frost, there was a Round Two...)TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-72571986694643335932010-08-07T08:08:12.548-07:002010-08-07T08:08:12.548-07:00ps. that should be 8.7 . . . .ps. that should be 8.7 . . . .STEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-59138962391074737152010-08-07T07:58:25.414-07:002010-08-07T07:58:25.414-07:00Tom,
Thanks for all this follow up -- didn't ...Tom,<br /><br />Thanks for all this follow up -- didn't know that Elsie's head was on the Mercury dime (so he had connections in those places too). His "comfortable WASP conception of reality as the conception of itself . . . . [t]he whimsy of the conceptualization running up against the actuality of the moment" -- as it appears, here?<br /><br />8.6<br /><br />grey whiteness of fog against invisible<br />ridge, shadowed green of leaves lifting<br />in foreground, sound of wave in channel<br /><br /> starting to appear, not more<br /> than those places where<br /><br /> in a picture, literal answer<br /> is a figure, in a sense<br /><br />grey-white of fog reflected in channel,<br />wingspan of gull flapping toward ridgeSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-79924972911152266292010-08-07T07:07:55.633-07:002010-08-07T07:07:55.633-07:00Steve,
Great question:
but would he ever take hi...Steve,<br /><br />Great question:<br /><br />but would he ever take himself "down/ And down -- and down and down and down"?<br /><br />Probably not.<br /><br />Let me say first that this poem was not meant to be biographical. The Stevens character is a fictive character, not quite supreme.<br /><br />But...<br /><br />Stevens' conception of poetry as the Supreme Fiction ("Poetry is the supreme fiction, madame") has always struck me as a conceptualization of a conceptualization, and as such the opposite of poetry -- even, indeed, the best of Stevens' own.<br /><br />"To create something as valid of the idea of God has been," his stated purpose in this conceptuaization.<br /><br />I think of him at the time of the writing of Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction, 1942, in his comfortable life as successful poet and vice-president of the Hartford, a company whose vast riches derived from the exploitation of human anxiety. <br /><br />His entire life spent in the arms of a smug and comfortable WASP conception of reality as the conceptualization of itself. A registered Republican in a neocolonial mansion with a wife whose head graced the Mercury dime (coinage of the realm).<br /><br />His fantasy of an "Arabian" in his room, babbling Arabian gibberish. Much as all Indians say "How", all Arabians say "hoobla-hoobla-how".<br /><br />(Charlie Chan once noted that in the American restaurant, all the waiters seemed to talk the same Americanese gobbledygook...)<br /><br />The whimsy of the conceptualization running up against the actuality of the moment.<br /><br />The Depression, the War... how convenient these things never snuck into Wally's boudoir. Imagine the sorts of problematic babble that might have ensued.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-37663232822703730192010-08-06T06:55:35.000-07:002010-08-06T06:55:35.000-07:00Tom,
Ah, such a a seamless putting together of th...Tom,<br /><br />Ah, such a a seamless putting together of the Actuarial King Poet in his Connecticut chambre and Louis Haghe pyramids followed by stereoscoptic Keystone View Co. view -- whew. And the words between the two views, as if WS himself were talking (but would he ever take himself "down/ And down -- and down and down and down"?STEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.com