tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post9174689745465995386..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: Geronimo in Exile (Edward Dorn: Recollections of Gran Apacheria)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-13544996820397199192011-01-09T11:44:12.587-08:002011-01-09T11:44:12.587-08:00and
since you mention Teddy Roosevelt
they had so...and<br /><br />since you mention Teddy Roosevelt<br />they had some of the stuffed dead animals he "hunted" and killed hanging on the walls<br /><br /><br />after the movie/show we used to get something to eat there..<br /><br />this was around 1952-3 or so<br /><br />NOW<br />I'm told "they" made an upscale VERY expensive tourist trap eatery out of it...Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-62780058878554996842011-01-09T11:38:39.378-08:002011-01-09T11:38:39.378-08:00Hi again and thank you. That makes sense and is a ...Hi again and thank you. That makes sense and is a lot clearer and more concise than some of the things I read. I also read about the Huddleson interview this morning and related the anecdote you included to Caroline over lunch today. It's a great story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-86084268172298146872011-01-09T11:38:20.349-08:002011-01-09T11:38:20.349-08:00here's that Riggs Bank
http://img1.blockshopp...here's that Riggs Bank<br /><br />http://img1.blockshopper.com/story_images/17001/06730/c360d745fac590e23cc6012ea5412db4.jpg<br />OHHHHHHHH<br /><br />and the famous restaurant<br /> The Ebbit's Grille<br /><br />which became The Old Ebbit's Grille<br /> maybe it was spelled Ebbitt'sEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-26087711155758858232011-01-09T11:28:53.388-08:002011-01-09T11:28:53.388-08:00Thanks TC
everything REALLY
is
in the de:tails
...Thanks TC<br /><br />everything REALLY <br />is<br />in the de:tails<br /><br />AND<br /><br />dig it<br /><br />we used to go<br />almost EVERY Sunday<br /><br />to<br /><br />the Capitol Theater<br /><br />a movie and a stage show<br /><br />I DO BELIEVE that the Capitol Theatre had a hotel over it<br /><br />This theater/hotel was about a block dwn from The White House...<br /><br />a VERY Famous restaurant was next door<br />& on the corner across Pennsylvania Avenue was the first bank in D.C.. as I recall a Riggs Bank..<br /><br /><br />HEYYYYYY<br />there was on the old version of the dollar bill<br />a scene of that corner was on the obverse...<br /><br />now<br />they got an huge ONE there...<br /><br />I remember seeing Her Nibbs Georgia Gibbs at the theater and a guy who was a quick-change artist doing a Charles Dickens (story) routine..<br /><br /><br />a REAL live orchestra used to rise up in front of the stage..maybe a 20 piece orchestra..<br /><br />once when we were there Harry Truman was also there<br /> I didn't see him then but I did see him walking near the white House one day ...<br />walking with one other guy ... in a black suit.<br /><br />IN BROD DAYLIGHT HARRY TRUMAN WALKING DOWN THE STREET!!!<br /><br />I got tears in my eyes ...Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-74512003270156310072011-01-09T11:13:18.745-08:002011-01-09T11:13:18.745-08:00Okay, just for the record: Geronimo was interviewe...Okay, just for the record: Geronimo was interviewed exactly once, by S.M. Huddleson (not Huddleston), the niece of the US Cavalry officer to whom Geronimo had surrendered.<br /><br />The interview occurred at the Capitol Hotel (not the "Indian Hotel"), where Geronimo was quartered during the inauguration proceedings.<br /><br />See <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HcM0JnSsHcEC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=huddleson+interview+with+geronimo&source=bl&ots=t4kEAsmv6e&sig=MFfNGUWArYAH_uwWkZl8HisGO3w&hl=en&ei=XQQqTY7sFoqosAOis9SaBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=huddleson%20interview%20with%20geronimo&f=false" rel="nofollow">this</a>.<br /><br />And here, corrected, is the E.D. passage from Gran Apacheria, again:<br /><br />"When Geronimo was in Washington for the Inauguration of Roosevelt he was interviewed at the Indian Hotel by S.M. Huddleson of the Dept. of Agriculture. Geronimo signaled through Geo. Wratten that he wanted to know where Huddleson lived, and was surprised and disappointed to learn that Huddleson lived in only *one* house on only *one* street. Ugh! he said in gruff disgust and signaled that if *He* were to live in the city, *He* would live in every house in it!"TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-6380571866887836282011-01-09T10:37:27.858-08:002011-01-09T10:37:27.858-08:00HOLY MACKEREL 1
"Thinking Earth" PLA...HOLY MACKEREL 1<br /><br />"Thinking Earth" PLACE<br /><br />that's IT precisely...<br /><br /> where<br />every thing begins&ends in <br /> <br />Mother of Stone Girl "Thinking Earth"<br /><br />Dorn and diPrima terrific points / counterpointsEd Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-27585285263486580912011-01-09T10:17:07.039-08:002011-01-09T10:17:07.039-08:00Ed,
Dunno about the Indian Hotel. Maybe Somebody ...Ed,<br /><br />Dunno about the Indian Hotel. Maybe Somebody Out There, or Up There, does, though?<br /><br /><br />Curtis,<br /><br />In Gran Apacheria, Dorn defines the White World, or European/American, "Predictive Mind", as "the highest mutation of force" -- a determinate, abstracting way of conceiving and describing and arguing, instrumental to cultural/political dominance; he contrasts this to the "Thinking Earth" of the Apache, whose "leading ideas/come directly from the landform".<br /><br />Dorn thought any understanding of any people or any culture, its way of being and thinking, its way of life, in short, began with the attempt to understand its ongoing living relation to the place from which it derives.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-10321117739602701262011-01-09T09:41:30.390-08:002011-01-09T09:41:30.390-08:00I liked this a great deal -- the poem and the pict...I liked this a great deal -- the poem and the pictures -- and think I basically get it and the oppositions the poem sets, up, but if you could possibly provide some guidance regarding the phrase Predictive Mind, that would be helpful and appreciated. I've gone in a couple of directions on this; one of them was pretty funny, actually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-24065714794646390792011-01-09T08:42:12.381-08:002011-01-09T08:42:12.381-08:00where's this Indian Hotel here in D....where's this Indian Hotel here in D.C. ?<br /><br />Never heard of it.. <br /><br />what section of the city is/was it in?<br />we talkin' here 'bout an<br /> American Indian (Hotel)<br /><br />and not a<br /> New Delhi Indian (Hotel/restaurant)<br /><br /><br />it s important to me to find this Indian Hotel <br />&<br />go down there<br /><br />next full moon<br />and<br /><br />rattle my <br /> Rain Stick<br /><br />(the beads/seeds in side travel from end to end when<br />flipped &<br /><br />it REALLY DOES sound like "rain" it s Magic!Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-3260747536826511452011-01-09T08:27:54.972-08:002011-01-09T08:27:54.972-08:00Ed, they're getting dumber, but you're get...Ed, they're getting dumber, but you're getting smarter.<br /><br />Great that Johnny's back home, Steve.<br /><br />visual arrangement as point,<br />which element made to<br /><br />picture world<br /><br />Several of the images of the exiled Geronimo in his later role as cultural property, a hood ornament on Teddy Roosevelt's inaugural parade and so on, cause one to wince. But only for an instant. Then we see the resistant spirit of the old warrior emerge, transforming the power dynamics. His dignity, even in humiliation, takes command.<br /><br />One passage from Edward Dorn's Recollections of Gran Apacheria that had been part of the post, situated beneath the photo of that parade -- and then was removed for the sake of symmetry (predictively!) -- is germane, as we are reminded by Jennifer Dunbar Dorn, who knows more than anybody about this great poem and its author. <br /><br />"When Geronimo was in Washington for the Inauguration of Roosevelt he was interviewed at the Indian Hotel by S.M. Huddleston of the Dept. of Agriculture. Geronimo signaled through Geo. Wratten that he wanted to know where Huddleston lived, and was surprised and disappointed to learn that Huddleston lived in only *one* house on only *one* street. Ugh! he said in gruff disgust and signaled that if *He* were to live in the city, *He* would live in every house in it!"<br /><br />For those who may not have previously encountered it, Gran Apacheria is a salient document of a period when American poetry briefly became an agency of intelligent vision. Central to the visionary contribution of Edward Dorn was his understanding of the importance of a spirit of resistance in keeping up the vital signs.<br /><br />The longest continuous run<br />of external resistance:<br />the Apache Wars.<br /><br />Without significant intermission<br />from the Seventeenth Century onward<br /><br />The against-the-grain or resistant tendencies in Dorn's work have, unhappily, been intermitted, in American poetry, or what remains of it, in later epochs.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-91597687270839833452011-01-09T08:01:22.498-08:002011-01-09T08:01:22.498-08:00Tom,
Eyes like two bits of obsidian
With a light ...Tom,<br /><br />Eyes like two bits of obsidian<br />With a light between them<br /><br />(a memorable education for Johnny)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />1.9<br /><br />light coming into sky above black plane<br />of ridge, silver of planet next to leaf<br />in foreground, sound of wave in channel<br /><br /> visual arrangement as point,<br /> which element made to<br /><br /> picture world, some sort of<br /> plane, corresponds to<br /><br />grey-white of sky reflected in channel,<br />shadowed green pine on tip of sandspitSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-47283104717223599392011-01-09T05:21:15.296-08:002011-01-09T05:21:15.296-08:00notice the street car tracks?
they're bearing...notice the street car tracks?<br /><br />they're bearing right down Pennsylvania Avenue ... on the way the The White House<br /><br />the left takes you down Constitution Avenue<br />an to the Mall<br /><br />anyway regarding John Wayne's intestines<br />(and you can google this) <br /> the average American male is carrying in his intestines<br />about 20 pounds of shit! some of it in there<br /><br />depending on his age<br /> for FORTY YEARS!<br />we's a culture of Gluttony, Greed, and Ignorance...<br />...all in the name of Politically Correct Religion-Nationalism<br />so<br /><br />bottom line..<br /> Garbage In Garbage Out<br /><br />well<br />now off to fry up some dead pig-fat (bacon) and a couple of chicken fetuses some drop-dead lard biscuits fried-up frozen white taters-totters<br />wash it down with 14 cups of coffee with 12 teaspoonsful of white sugar and sit back with a 1/2 pack of Lucky Strikes<br />and watch the FOOTBAL..<br /><br />I think that The Patriots are gonna kick-the-shit out of The Redskins ...again.<br /><br /><br />(hey this computer just red-lined "teaspoonsful" !<br /><br />took the "s" out!<br /><br /> GOOD GOD WE"RE GETTING STUPID!<br /><br /><br />I BEST NOT USE THE VERB shat...Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-90120258692574138342011-01-09T04:26:57.639-08:002011-01-09T04:26:57.639-08:00Terry,
Great photo of "He-who-yawns" as...Terry,<br /><br />Great photo of "He-who-yawns" as stout family man with his brood in the pumpkin patch. Many thanks.<br /><br />I'd put up a a link to it, but the last x number of times I tried linking to my incoming mail, I ended up staring the blank end of Technology in the face.<br /><br />(The Predictive Mind has always eluded me also, but alas in my case that's not from a position of Beauty and Power...)<br /><br /><br />Doowman,<br /><br />Who we were sometimes scares me and who we might be next leaves me quaking in my bandages, but I think you're right, those are the best reasons to keep on digging and learning, while we yet can.<br /><br /><br />Elmo, <br /><br />Well, my take on what Ed was trying to picture there -- something about the Beauty of the Soul shining out from the physical form -- is something no amount of gym time will ever provide.<br /><br />To me all the present-day white-world buffed-up fitness-machine gods and goddesses and all the SI swimsuit Belles of the Brainless Ball pretty much add up to just so much recycled eyeball-trash.<br /><br />(But of curse those are just my own ancient tarnished and cracked eyeballs talking.) <br /><br /><br />Ed,<br /><br />You got that right, as usual.<br /><br />Those attitudes of the past still hang in the air as lame ironic jokes, eg. the "comic" Indian-hung-while-praying scene in the ever-clever, ever-empty Coen Bros. new trash remake of the old True Grit trash.<br /><br />(I suppose I am guilty of habitually favouring the trash of yesteryear to the trash of the present -- but again, that's spoken from a belly-on-the-ground position, the one adopted after the cowering-on-one's-knees position simply hurts too much to sustain.)<br /><br /><br />PS. Why does all this remind me that John Wayne's autopsy revealed something like seventy pounds of animal matter lodged in his intestines?<br /><br />Now what's the difference between tripe and trash, again, America?TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-76874426923410658782011-01-09T03:14:33.052-08:002011-01-09T03:14:33.052-08:00WE
murder
rape
&
pillage
... & then John...WE<br />murder<br />rape<br />&<br />pillage<br /><br /><br />... & then John Wayne, Kirk Douglas &<br />Burt Lancaster tell "just-what-was"<br /><br />the last time I visited the Smithsonian Institution's<br />American Indian Museum<br /><br />Tim Tingle was in the courtyard telling/performing <br /><br />stories from Red People Memory..<br /><br />"Crossing Bok Chitto" <br /><br />"blew me away"<br /><br />y'all can .... via ...<br /> Cinco Puntos Press' 4 c-d <br /><br /> WALKING THE CHOCTAW ROAD<br /><br />(ET CETERS ...)Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-68006778769438183472011-01-08T19:56:50.184-08:002011-01-08T19:56:50.184-08:00I think Ed Dorn was a little
premature in saying i...I think Ed Dorn was a little<br />premature in saying in Gran<br />Apacheria...that we would never<br />look that good, as good as the<br />Apaches in the field a year or two<br />before they surrendered.<br /><br />On the contrary. We really know how<br />to look good, for example: The<br />Sports Illustrated Swim Suit Edition...and a myriad fitness<br />programs<br /><br />However to look as good as they <br />did using what they had(very little) was a higher level of<br />ecological intelligence.<br /><br />So who's going on a picture shoot<br />today...somewhere there's a few<br />eco warriors who are also not nuts.Elmo St. Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01588245143022651357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-59866806867336572092011-01-08T17:24:57.533-08:002011-01-08T17:24:57.533-08:00After two weeks of trying to finish the condensati...After two weeks of trying to finish the condensation that is "The Killing of Crazy Horse" who should flash before my eyes but Hollow Horn Bear and American Horse. Yikes! But please, bring more TC and we’ll see who we were and who we might be.doowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10928038429390649705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-23600520418298366792011-01-08T14:15:41.471-08:002011-01-08T14:15:41.471-08:00Dear Tom:
Great photos, as usual. My favorite is G...Dear Tom:<br />Great photos, as usual. My favorite is Geronimo in the pumpkin patch, which we used a number times in our publications when I was with the National Museum of the American Indian. I don't know how to include it here, so I'll email to you.tpwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05909239000589253931noreply@blogger.com