tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post4633577217949791619..comments2024-01-28T03:56:39.351-08:00Comments on TOM CLARK: Penelope: The Circumspect Wife, the Crafty Stranger, and the Homeric Test by Do-It-Yourself CarpentryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-65874875307110022582011-10-14T10:10:18.247-07:002011-10-14T10:10:18.247-07:00Oh, you wrote that already.Oh, you wrote that already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-18661188193649934552011-10-14T10:08:43.972-07:002011-10-14T10:08:43.972-07:00Haha. "Quick, get the wax."Haha. "Quick, get the wax."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-25336251049519406492011-10-14T10:06:12.637-07:002011-10-14T10:06:12.637-07:00and then the sailor says:
"no man who hears ...and then the sailor says:<br /><br />"no man who hears their Song can ESCAPE" !<br /><br />& then, in a subsequent version (1997) we pick things up with Odysseus "in the drink"<br />hanging on to that "mast" drifting towards a Virgin Stone...<br /><br />Calypso (who has not "seen" a man in an 100 years) and her Virgin Maidens (who have NEVER "seen" a man in their entire lives): <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ydBvquDF8<br /><br /><br />( as I once said to Steve Addiss: "What's a phantasy?"<br /><br />methinks it s the Stuff" of poetry.... exspectually of E-pics<br /><br /> as someone once wrote:<br /><br /> "exegesis will always remain unfinished"Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-10373944433879686062011-10-14T08:47:43.777-07:002011-10-14T08:47:43.777-07:00I love it when he says, "get the wax!"I love it when he says, "get the wax!"TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-65083620062208107522011-10-14T07:29:45.409-07:002011-10-14T07:29:45.409-07:00hells-bells that just happened daze before I
cle...hells-bells that just happened daze before I<br />cleaned out the wax in my ears so's I could <br />-as Kirk so was "lashed to the mast"<br />nekked so to hear that Siren "bring 'it' on !<br /><br />while he with his erection & helplessly tied up to<br />another pole<br /><br />& while his Merrie Band of boys in the back-ground are master-bating <br /> ALL moving in consort<br /><br />towards an Epic orgasm:<br /><br />as Kirk says after everyone calms down and lights a cigarette:<br /><br /> those Sirens/Goddesses ARE<br /> (in a word, his word)<br /><br /><br /> "MERCILESS"Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-87500490875756922302011-10-14T07:14:00.012-07:002011-10-14T07:14:00.012-07:00Thanks all.
Barry, wonderful to have you back.
...Thanks all. <br /><br />Barry, wonderful to have you back.<br /><br />Nin, the Lattimore version of this is pretty great... In fact, it's kicking around here on the cutting room floor. I like the idea of a cow named Zeus. <br /><br />About that funny detachable Penelope head in the Primaticcio, Artur -- never fear, it's merely a decoy.<br /><br />Ah, that Teddy Adorno, marvelous sense of humour!<br /><br />And so... a funny thing happened to Odysseus on the way back from Home Depot: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2GeMgILNV0&feature=related" rel="nofollow">"Tie me to the mast! Tighter! And don't untie me!"</a>TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-85800304918127385102011-10-14T04:26:46.577-07:002011-10-14T04:26:46.577-07:00I love this series. My mother studied Ancient Gre...I love this series. My mother studied Ancient Greek and archeology --studied with Lattimore, so as you can imagine, I was raised on the stuff--<br />at the same time she was a dairy farmer, which meant a lot of our animals were named Penelope or Zeus or what have you . . . <br />I can still hear the myths and stories in her voice, years later . . .Nin Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12643167108589844026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-67061007499227054292011-10-13T23:20:18.284-07:002011-10-13T23:20:18.284-07:00Great series of translated "snatches" of...Great series of translated "snatches" of Homer's poetry accompanied by equally interesting photographs but <br /><br />INTERVIEWER: What about as "idea," quite aside from poetic considerations? As statement of a philosophical or religious position.<br /><br />SEFERIS: I don't know. I have no idea about philosophical positions and world views. You know, whenever world views begin interfering with writing--I don't know. I prefer world views in the sort of dry, repulsive, and (I don't know how to put it) prosaic way. I don't like people who try to express world views in writing poetry. I remember once I had a reading in Thessalonike, and a philosopher stood up and asked: "But what, after all, Mr. Seferis, is your world view?" And I said: "My dear friend, I'm sorry to say that I have no world view. I have to make this public confession to you that I am writing without having any world view. I don't know, perhaps you find that scandalous, sir, but may I ask you to tell me what Homer's world view is?" And I didn't get an answer.<br /><br />--from <i>The Paris Review</i> interview, Fall 1970vazambam (Vassilis Zambaras)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14515165428574974933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-7267196587133649702011-10-13T12:58:09.337-07:002011-10-13T12:58:09.337-07:00Tom,
Such a complex compendium of legend and imag...Tom,<br /><br />Such a complex compendium of legend and image here (could teach us to drink deep, ere we depart), thanks. . .<br /><br />10.13<br /><br />red orange of cloud above still shadowed<br />ridge, whiteness of moon behind branches<br />in foreground, waves sounding in channel<br /><br /> that condition therefore is,<br /> which is connected to<br /><br /> it is, “linear element,” is<br /> system of coordinates<br /><br />silver of sunlight reflected in channel,<br />white cloud in pale blue sky on horizonSTEPHEN RATCLIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339481653546188412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-83656660620289157972011-10-13T10:49:18.914-07:002011-10-13T10:49:18.914-07:00As long as people live together in intimacy and ex...As long as people live together in intimacy and experience flashes of knowing they don't know for a moment who the other actually is, that episode will resonate. <br /><br />This is a lovely place, indeed, and it's nice to be back in its orbit.Barry Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02121653352771218338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-14498047395223522802011-10-13T09:55:09.076-07:002011-10-13T09:55:09.076-07:00Those mallards look real enough to be decoys!Those mallards look real enough to be decoys!Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-1377197937392615532011-10-13T09:13:37.044-07:002011-10-13T09:13:37.044-07:00A lovely collection Tom. The first Penelope is od...A lovely collection Tom. The first Penelope is odd because (to state he obvious) of her head not sitting on her body but in his hand. I liked the 5thC terracotta the best, Odysseus ("& his Merrie Band") looks medieval, another impression for the mind's eye.<br /><br />I love the Penelope Widgeons, of course. Beautiful feathers.<br /><br />It's an odd translation in parts, I thought, the TE, for one so agonized over. <i>Be not angry with me, therefore, nor resentful, because at first sight I failed to fondle you thus</i>, for example. I can't see anyone saying that except possibly the other Lawrence.<br /><br /><i>He is the prototypical bourgeois -- the with-it hobbyist. His do-it-yourself effort is an imitation of the actual labor of a craftsman, from which, in the framework of differentiated conditions of property ownership, he has long been necessarily excluded. He enjoys this for the freedom to do what is really superfluous as far as he is concerned confirms his power of disposal over those who have to do precisely that kind of work in order to live. </i><br />This is ridiculous, isn't it?<br /><br />Artur (prototypical bourgeois with-it hobbyist).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-50418184566639044222011-10-13T09:13:08.881-07:002011-10-13T09:13:08.881-07:00never saw that one
I was thinking of that Harryho...never saw that one<br /><br />I was thinking of that Harryhousen "thing" Clash of the Titans<br /><br />I guess one Penelope is as good as another ?<br /><br />and<br /><br />I betchuh that there is a movie "out there" called Penelope !<br /><br />starring Diana Dors ?Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-77077963716500736542011-10-13T08:29:01.960-07:002011-10-13T08:29:01.960-07:00Ed,
Might be the worst movie ever made. Still rec...Ed,<br /><br />Might be the worst movie ever made. Still recall Kenneth Tynan's comment on the scene in which Kirk Douglas, as Odysseus, has himself lashed to the mast, fighting off the wily temptations of the Sirens... "with the grinning rictus of a demented ventriloquist".TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-28773412746818424192011-10-13T08:20:57.397-07:002011-10-13T08:20:57.397-07:00abe books has a copy for FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS !
...abe books has a copy for FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS !<br /><br />amazone has 2wo... one for $275 and one for $39 ..<br /><br />hells-bells... I can get the movie on HULU for free <br /><br />and if I join JSTOR I can see/read a virtual copy of it !<br /><br />on my iPad that iclouds everything Homer & I ever did !<br /><br />now<br /><br />off into the Real World... to replace my stolen leaf rake<br />....will get one at Value Village<br /><br />and see if in their book-section they got any Poetry !Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-6927593824741864462011-10-13T08:09:33.992-07:002011-10-13T08:09:33.992-07:00Ed,
Lawrence's Odyssey has eluded the net unt...Ed,<br /><br />Lawrence's Odyssey has eluded the net until now; I had to hunt-and-peck it in, blind as old Homer, from one of those old paper-product thingies... a boke, as I believe such things were called.<br /><br /><br />Erin,<br /><br />Welcome, and I hope our ragged stragglers will avail themselves of the shiny new side link to your extremely cool blog. Between you and Nin, Ohio is starting to feel... well, different.<br /><br />(I spent much of the forlorn autumn of 1959 in Bob Lee's bar on Euclid Avenue, plainly at least fifty years too early... alas Odysseus never arrived in his disguise-rags to, er, penetrate that solitude.)TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05915822857461178942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-7828534523090623912011-10-13T07:51:16.312-07:002011-10-13T07:51:16.312-07:00Well isn't this a lovely place!Well isn't this a lovely place!Erin O'Brienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089592061725346901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4445844569294316288.post-82575697287169537742011-10-13T07:48:46.543-07:002011-10-13T07:48:46.543-07:00this-all comes in at a precise moment as I have ju...this-all comes in at a precise moment as I have just discovered<br /> (and am into the "Nature" section)<br />of Norman Brown's LOVE'S BODY<br /><br />and have (also) just come to a term DEEP IMAGE<br />that is too an active "well-spring"<br /><br />so<br /><br />to finish this Brown "thing" then me-thinks will ACTUALLY read this Homer Epic!<br /><br />see just what T.E. did with it (can one yet find his translationing of) & SEE with own Imagination<br /><br />just what Odysseus & his Merrie Band of<br /> "the warrior sons of the Achaens" did do to murder Mother & capture the Faire Maiden at the end of the <br />trail....<br /><br />now? to retreat into my Luscious Cave and see<br />transpires/develops out of the Dark Room Fluids...<br /><br />seems, so far & down through The Ages<br />that the "thrust" has always been to initiate the boys and capture (penetrate) the girls !<br /><br />PLAY BALL !Ed Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285310130024785775noreply@blogger.com